Just curious because In the one PM you sent me you said these BH's were a bugger to get sharp. They aren't very sharp coming out of the package, It Is a pain to get some of them sharp. Thats why I asked how sharp your BH was. If It wasn't as sharp as it should of maybe then you would of had better penetration. I'm not saying you didn't have the BH razor sharp because maybe you did. Just a thought Is all.