Touche Duke...I am sorry for taking you the wrong way. As we discuss the rut I am not really in good sorts right now...I am getting my @## kicked daily. You are very correct in that my original statement could have very well been taken in an elitist manner. Sorry for that...and I should have worded it better. Thanks for the help and now I guess I can PM you and ask a certain question about a #@*#@ old warrior who likes to show me how big he is from 50 yards[:@]every couple days.