Ive killed them in early oct when I new they would be comming into the beans, and I have killed them in late Nov when they are on the prowl. They are a hell of alot easier to pattern in the earlyseasonthen when the rut is on IMHO. With your anology GMMAT should be able to get the big buck he has been spying now that the rutt has kicked in. (and I hope you do jeff.)