thanks for the encouragement Brett and Jim, I will stay with it as long as I have a breath in me, but it is a double edge sword.. most years I kill a decent buck, every few years I kill one to mount, this I have not seen either...but it is keeping me thinking and upbeat about the next trip in... I have seen less deer this year than most years previous, but I needed to have this happen, it has made rethink how I have been doing things and makes me appreciate any sightings or kill that much more.