X2. On a related note, I was scouting an 80 acrepiece of land on the family farm and I noticed an ATV trail running through an osage orange grove that seperates our property and a neighboors piece of property. Well my uncle and I put up several strands of barbed wire and layed some logs on it so that they can see it and not hurt themselves by running into it. I wonder if I'll find in pieces this weekend while hunting.....