We bought one of the Weatherby Vangaurds with both the youth stock and adult stock for my daughter last year for Christmas, she was 15 at the time and we went with the 7mm-08, my thought was she could grow with the rifle and the 7mm-08 does not have much kick, but could still be used for larger game. So far she loves it and actually got her first deer last month with it. What I have shot with it just messing around, I have no complaints, it is a solid rifle.