OH BOY seems like anytime i see (rage) on a post i see light sarcastic poking back and forth ? there is MUCH debate about them. I personaly shot them and muzzys this year and my only true belief is you gotta have a fast/powerful bow or a VERY well placed shot at close range with them. Im kinda dissapointed, in the beginning of the year my diehard buddies told me " your just surcumming to all that fancy marketing their doing there nothing special , whats wrong with your muzzys ? "So far im on the ropes rage good/bad but it sure makes for some good reading on here !! LOL !!