Yeah, I had to go to the truck and get the binoculars and check shot #2. I don't know which sabot is supplied with the Barnes Expanders but I know my Green Mountain barrel did not like them for loading. I had to actually place my short starter on top of the bullet and smack it with my hand after the first shot. I've got two different sabots from Harvester to try. The high presure "easy glide" or something like that and the crushed ribs. If I can improve the ease of loading without hurting my group I think that will be one good deer load.