Good stuff WV...man they sure are a sight to behold. They are like ghosts to me, here one minute gone forever the next. I believe I am not seeing them because of two things; 1) I am not an expert of where to set my stand. I have improved tremendously in this area, but I am average. 2) I don't have alot of big bucks where I hunt. Combine those two factors together and you have me, a person working his butt off to get on one, but all the cards must fall the right way for me to have a chance. I am looking for that full house when all I have is two pair.....My day will come.