ORIGINAL: bigbulls
I am not poking you. Meerly having a conversation about this stuff and trying to understand your reasoning behind your statements.
I know they adapted their powder... that's why I said they did.
And yes, 7 thousands of an inchcan make a difference, especially when you consider the other factors that go into cartridge developement, like case design. Consider the wsm's, wssm's, and the saum's...they didnt even change caliber, just case design.
So going to back to your first post you said that a 280 is real performance over a .270. They are both based on the same 30-06 case and the difference is .007" in bullet diameter and bullet weight. Both firing the same weight bullet you are talking about a 40 - 60fps advantage for the .280 over the .270. I don't see the "real performance" factor here.
What you are wanting isn't possible. You can't fire a 180 grain, 30 caliberbullet at 3000 fps and expect it to recoil like a .243. Aside from the powder charge weightbeing a very very minor factor in recoil, the physics is a simple as it gets. Fire a given weight bullet at a given velocity and you will have a specific ammount of recoil. Change the design of the case all you want, orget rid ofit all together, but it isn't going to change the recoil of the rifle assuming the use of the same rifle.
The 338-06 firing a 200 grain bullet at the same velocity as a 30-06 firing a 180 grain bullet
WILL have more recoil than the 30-06.
I think that bullet design has come quite a long ways in the recent years. Bullets like the Barnes, North Fork, TBBCT, XP3, etc... have allowed hunters to shoot lighter weight bullets than previous and expect the same or evenbetter performance as the much heavier lead bullets of years past.
Okay, on the 270 vs 280...in essence, we are talking minutia..i know this, actually now that i think about it, i excell at this whole false dicotomy thing..nature vs nurture, ford vs chevy, boxers vs briefs...basically opinion backed up by as much bs as you canmuster....handloading, you do get a bigger better selection of bullets cause its a 7mm, whereas the .277 bullets are limited comparatively. On the other hand, ammofor the 270 can be found anywhere...CDI factor for the 280 is much greaterthan the 270 though...
I know what i want doesn't seem to be possible...physics and all, whichwill never really be simple, but by the same token, many things that are possible today were not possible even 10 years ago...its not that we change the laws of physics, we just learn how to better manipulate them...that was my point when with my original post..that I would like to see something like this as the next big thing vs laundry detergent that makes camoflage not glow or gumoflage 2.0 or treestands with built in flashlight....