thanks for the input, I have recently shot a mattews, Q2 or MQ2 something like that.....it shot great but seemed a little short for me, it kinda seemed unforgiving, I also shot an Alpine Grand tee-ton, the name may be misspelled sorry.....I realy enjoined it, something in that neighbor hood would do the job. what else is simalar to the Alpine?......also I still haven' t shot a bow tech any model suggestions thanks......Drakes1st.