I shot some hornady sst last fall sighting in my gun. I do not have a scope on it, and there is no way in hell i could use them . way too "hot" to shoot w/out a scope. I was aiming at the ground in front of target at 100 yrds and hitting top and over target. I thought about scoping my slug gun but dont want to. I figure these would have some reach out and touch some one range with a good scope i just dont need it where i hunt.