hey dont forget the new admiral I just shot it, I was IN wow form !!!but also for the price I shoot the Firecat and I am a hoyt shooter , but then again its what feels good in your hands, I am not a bowtech guy but the admiral felt good in my hand and was shooting similar to my firecat , a little quieter but the price $850 made my wife smack me when I picked it up. For hunting my Firecat was Ideal for me anyway it was quick, light and very quiet not too mention I got it new from Martin for $575. now my target thats a whole other animal I had to sleep on the couch I dont know how many times I put something new on that thing ................. Damn that reminds me I like that new ALphamax by hoyt I wonder If I can hide it in the garage?