Wow I never thought pre season that I would be saying this but I'm considering giving up for this season just chalking it up as a waste of pa tags and packing it in its pretty bad when you get there extra early as to not scare anything get in your stand 1.5 hrs before daylight and. Don't see a single deer... I'd love to know what happened to all my deer but I guess ill never know really the rut is on back here where I. Am hunting I have a friend hunting 2 ridges over and he's seeing crazy bucks before you say it no I can't hunt there and the deer trails I hunt look like cattle paths