We did some testing with the new Montec and B-52' s yesterday, as well as the new RM Ironhead 100. The Montec' s and Ironheads grouped right with my field tips out to 25 yds (as far as I could shoot inside) even with 3" vanes, the b-52' s grouped well but were about 2-3" high and left of the others. I think the Montec is sharp enough to hunt with out of the box, but the B-52 needs sharpened. As always, the Rocky Mountains would shave hair right out of the box.