ok i will tell off on myself to all, as awshucks already know some of it and DNK knows all of it. i took a shot several weeks ago on a Doe. i used the phoenix and the peep. mind y'all my eyes are not great anymore. i thought i hit her in the shoulder and i saw her go down to her knee. i searched for hrs. no arrow no blood no Doe! so i am up in the same tree and it has rained several times since that shot. well i find the arrow nock just barely above ground. it had to of been covered in leaves. no blood on feathers or shaft of BH. she ducked the shot at 20 yds area and she was broadside. its hard to fully comprehend has fast they can and will move [&o]