I shot them 2 years ago out of a nef huntsman. I only shot a doe with them but they did greatI hit her behind the right front shoulder and it hit the left front shoulder dead center the bullet was just under the skin on the left side it looked well intacted but very mushroomed I was shooting 100grns of pyrodex and that shot was about 60yrds give or take. I havent used themas of lateI found other bullets that gave the same results but cheaper.