I wont shoot a less than 140 4 year old buck. Howeve, I live in east central Illinois and have good private ground to hunt and that makes all the difference in the world. It would be different if I lived in Georgia or South carolina. You have to have the deer of that size before you can be picky. If I lived in Kansas or Iowa my standards would be higher. It also depends on the ground you hunt alot or little private or public. There are alot of factors.