Big Country,did you ever think that guys like you are the reason hunters have become the way they are today,especially in Greene County.I've hunted there the past 25 years and it's the mentality you exibit that causes people to do the things you bitch about.When I started hunting in Green,all you had to do was ask for permission and most of the time it was o.k. It was an untapped resource since the majority of hunters in western Pa still went to the big woods up north to hunt.But as that herd declined and word got out more guys stated to look for places to go close to home where the deer population was booming and big bucks were a lot more prevalent.Since then,it's become more or less a private hunting ground for landownwers and guys who can afford to lease propery there.Now I'm not defending the actions like you describe,but don't complain about too many deer and then turn everyone away who wants permission to hunt . As far as poaching, the residents and landowners there kill more deer out of season than poachers could ever kill,and I personally don't have a problem with them taking an occasional deer for meat,but they shouldn't point the finger at somebody else when they're guilty of the same thing.Owning property does't give anyone the right to break the laws that everyone else is expected to adhear to. Landowners don't own the deer so they're no more entitled to them than anybody else.I've witnessed more than one confrontaion between an irrate landowner and a hunter that the landowner "thinks" is doing something wrong (remember a few years back when the landowner killed a guys he thought was road hunting and all he was doing was taking a leak).Most of the property I hunted the landowners themselves couldn't get along with their neigbors and wouldn't allow them to hunt on their property.You can't have it both ways ! You can't complain about too many deer and then do everything in your power to keep people from hunting them.In the last 10 years I've lost my hunting areas 3 times due to guys willing to pays big dollars to lease the property I had permission to hunt on.The only option then is the state gamelands which are almost void of deer and hunters behind every tree.It's not the place I want to take my 3 sons to.You show me a piece of private ground that open to hunting with permission and I'd be glad to go there but it's tough sledding at best.Try getting turned down 20-30 times a day when asking permission and you'd get discouraged too.Put yourself on the other side of the fence and you'll realize how tough it is.Consider yourself extremely lucky for what you have because there are a lot of us around with no opportunities out there and not enough $'s to pay for our own private hunting grounds.P.S. I'd be more than happy to take care of some of those deer for you ! I can provide refences upon request.