I have checked out winterhawk before and I would not pay 4000$ to kill the quality of bulls that are most often harvested with them. Not trying to down talk any of the animals that someone might have harvested, I've just seen a lot larger bulls taken with outfitters for about the same cost. If it's your first elk hunt and you don't care how big of a bull I'm sure the experience would be awesome. I'm picky and an elk hunting fanatic so I'd want atleast a good shot at a 330+ inch bull