well guys i shot a nice doe tonight, dressed out at 130 pounds.. there were 7 deer within 20 yards of me with another one about 70 yards from me bleating up a storm... pretty cool, but the doe i shot ducked down about a foot and hit it in the spine, hit the artery but still couldnt watch it suffer like that so i got down and shot it in the heart... Wed. night i'll be going to my buck stand so hopefully i'll give ya good news... good luck guys