This is my first time on site since last season at which time a lot of folks were trashing shockwaves so this may be a old topic but I thought I would share my results, T/C Omega,Nikon Omega and 120grains of loose 777 and T/C shockwaves cut same hole at 100yards (super glide sabots shoot same pattern but 1"higher group). This past weekend shot 160# doe at 81yards low on neck just above shoulder left 1/2 entrace and 2" exit and deer dropped in tracks had same results last season with 6point at 112 yards. Can find nothing wrong with Shockwaves...