I think most folks would agree or disagree depending on their personal definition of a real hunter. It would take some effort to decide draw the line between the two but I'll give my example of the hunter who either needs to change or move on.....

The hunter who needs to change or move on IMHO is the guy who dusts off his orange and his rifle sometime on thanksgiving week. Maybe he stops by the range and takes a shot or two if he has time or maybe not. He puts adecent amountof time into gatheringup the beer, whiskey and grub for camp and heads up sometime over the weekend before. Maybe he takes a walk in the woods on Sunday "scoutin" or maybe the card game and the beerskeep him occupied and he'll just go up on the same ridge where he's gone for years. He'll get up and get into the woods with his flashlight a half hour before first light. Hell alternate between cursing all the other flashlightand at the same time, realizing he needs those guys to "get em movin"

Around 9 or 10 AM when the shooting gets into a lull he starts to get discouraged and wonders if he should have picked another spot. By noon he's either in the local tavern or on his way home yapping about a lack of deer, too many hunters, the weather, etc etc etc.

Now don't misunderstand, I doubt that more than a few, if any, of the guys on here fall into this stereotype. the fact that we're here shows a bit more involvement than that. The point is that the guy I just described is everywhere in our great state and I personally believe that while many of those who complain may not fit this description, most that do fit this description areamong the loudestof thecomplainers.