k whatever you guys are a bunch of asses. i'm abandoning this forum. first off. i saw the deer twice in the same day one with the arrow one without!!! also the guy leasing the land on my farm said he found the back half of my arrow today. also i got out of my stand went 10yd's into the wood's to look for my arrow. i went no farther. also the deer gave me time to shoot. by coming in from my right fast. turned presented that shot. had he been any farther he would have been behind my tree, again nice shoot. but almost not enough time. also looked more today. took my coon dog with me found nothing. had help took 2 other people still no deer. satisfied?? no ass talk now!!