I think prior to AR and HR I saw maybe 2 or 3 two and 1/2 year old bucks in 15 years. My area was the brown it is down theory. I am sure you have lived through the pumpkin patch. AR has really made a difference. We still have too few does. Guys at work in my area just shot 3 small 5-6 pointers and none were 2 1/2 yr olds.

We see bigger deer, just still a lot of pressure. I still feel that based upon pressure that a nice wide 2 1/2 yr old at 20yds is a great deer. PA has the best land in the US but we still have 850,000 brown it goes down guys.

I also shot quick this year because of my schedule and I am going to S. Illinois for a hunt from Oct 31-Nov 7th. Probably would have had 4-5 days of hunting this season.

IMHO we could even be more strict on AR and make it 4 on a side. I also think the seniors should not be given a preference. In my WMU I have seen a lot of spikes and fork horns being pulled out by the old guys. We have to changethe culture of PA from meat hunters to real hunters. It is happening, but not in rifle season. JMHO

Good luck this year and have a good time. I went out tonight on a game lands near home and sat near a field where 6 does came out before 6:00pm and no one was there with their smoke pole. Saw one hunter a 1/2 mile away. Counting the days until illinois.