I get sick of all the champion target shooters. I hear it all the time, " Man I can hit quarters at 50-60 yards everytime" . Problem is when you actually shoot with these guys they can' t hit sh*t. 60 yards, hell they can' t group 3 arrows inside a pie plate at 30 yards.[:' (]That' s when you realize you' ve met another B.S. hunter. Oh, and all the huge bucks they have " let walk" . Yeah right, the only thing they are hitting is the dirt in the ground. My uncle is one of the best hunters I know. He takes several deer every year with his bow. He is a deadly shot out to 30 yards and for hunting that is the range I am concerned with. I can slam X' s all day at 20 yards, and I' m pretty darn good out to 30 yards. That' s as far as I would take a shot at a deer with my bow. Maybe someday I will be half the bowhunter he is. There is alot of talk in archery/bowhunting, but when it' s all said and done you know how good you are, and talk is cheap, when that big ol' buck is laying by your feet you know you did a good job.