thanks for the advice i do have the tip for my ram rod i am talking about the hand held bullet starter that starts the bullet 6 inches or so. or do u just use your ramrod. i think its easier to start withe the shorter one but if it ruins the bullets what is the point. maybe i will switch to 250 or 300 grain gold dots and not have to worry. Are they accurate at long range say 150 to 200 yds. need to get some blackhorn to. Thanks to all that replied.

Paul