I use the sit and climb bar to climb and then i step out of it and put it under the seat. It adds a little structure to the seat. I've sat all day 5 times so far this season and i didnt think it was too bad. i also dont like having the bar on the outside, i feel that it restricts me if i need to stand on the edge of the platform. still throwing around the idea(Buckeye's idea) of replacing the seat with my old summit seat. I also found a great way to sleep in the stand but its not the most practical. While inside the sit and climb bar you put your butt on the platform and the s&c bar under your arms. I also moved my safety harness so it would be tight. cant imagine being anymorecomfortable but i would only do this if you were sleeping while waiting for daylight. Too hard to standup fromthat position.