"Statements like that just show that your responses are nothing more emotional knee jerks."

You're joking right?

"I'm sorry your hunting has changed in a negative way for you but maybe instead of clacking a keyboard, you need to get out and scout some more."

Hmmm. Did I mention my hunting?Hmmm. Conversation not going your way or supporting your position? Ha ha. I'd put my hunting skill against yoursany day of the week. Theres right and then theres wrong. Hasvery little to do with me personally. Ive scouted pleny. Have a dozen stands set on a few propertiesandnot only am I notmad about my odds of getting a buck this archery season, Im pretty much counting on it. If in doubt, please see my post and pic under "first daybuck"on "pa outdoors message board". I passed on a buck that I let a lesser experienced friend take first day of archery.

My success doesnt hinge on our "sham plan". I can find reasonable success rate IN SPITE of it. Not because of the plan being a failure or a success. Because I knowwhat Imdoing and put in far more effort than most... But sorry. That doesnt mean I cant still call a spade a spade.

"You can claim whatever you want but the bottom line is that the majority of Pa hunters are not digruntled."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he.For anyonenot a friend family member or employee of pgc, audubon society or eco-extremists...Thatneedsnot even be addressed...(LOL)

"Your buddy Bluebird even admitted it when he basically said that the majority Pa hunters just didn't know any better LOL "

Seems you like to take much of 'what my buddy Bluebird" says out of context.

"Are some hunters quitting because they cant go out on the Monday after Thanksgiving and see 50 deer? Sure they are!"

Especially when many of them are seeing 0 to 5 deer.

"But thats not the root of the problem. The problem is nationwide "

That position will NEVER solve the problem, as it a position of denial.

"Bluebird wants to only point out two different small time slots and you point to one set of stats over 5 years. "

Thats because it the time slot that was addressed by usfws, and it also overlaps and correlates with much of the effects of the deer program. Since the deer program has been in effect 20 years, I dont see much use in comparing 20.


"All the outdoor sports are in decline across the USA."

And our worse than most andanyone not trying to decievecan easily understand why with so many additional nonsensical things occurring HERE.

"You want to pick on the PGC for something? I'll give ya something legit."

Everything Ive said was legit. We are dropping like a rock thanks to the miserably failed program and pgc turning the blind eye only makes it worse. The pgc/hunter relations only add to the revolutions of the downhill roll.

I dont think "kids" alonebeing addressed is the solution. Kids aint gonna sit for hours seeing little and like it. That simple. Another thing you're overlooking is that if so many ADULTS are quitting, thats one more adult that WONT be encouraging a kid to hunt or taking a kid hunting anytime soon.

Fix the deer plan. A trickle down effect would occur and there would be MANY beneficial effects instead ofsolving nothing bybeing in deniable and pretending to wonder what is going on, just so Pgc doesnt have to take responsibility for the current state of affairs.