Sorry if Im mistaken, but I think I recognize your avatar from the savage board on modernmuzzleloader.com, are you going to try them in a savage? Its too late for me to mess w/ them in mine, unless I want to spend bow season at the range. I really would like to know how they do though. The weak link in the savage is the sabot and these would bring the savage to an even greater level of performance, if they shot good.