Briman, reloading is like Christmas, it has gotten so commercial every answer starts with 'you gotta purchase another tool', thanks for the contribution, I still drill the flash hole and push the bullet out with a cleaning rod, by making up a case for each bullet the process does not have to be repeated unless a different designed bullet is used, after the MAX overall length has been determined, the test case can be used to transfer to the seating die. Some insist the case neck must be cut with a hack saw to allow the bullet to slide when pushed, I say step away from the computer, work out and try it again, in the old days bullets were seated by hand, and, what better way to check bullet hold (neck tension).[/align][/align]F. Guffey[/align][/align]Statjunk, do not lube the neck or the shoulder, if using a full length sizer, lightly lube the body of the case, two things are going on at the same time, lube the body JIC (Just in case).[/align][/align]The second part, formed or fire formed brass: the shoulder of the case seats against the shoulder of the chamber, meaning you are measuring the distance from the shoulder of the chamber to the lands with the case shoulder and seated bullet, again thereare a couple of things going on at the same time, not a perfect world but the bolt has been removed therefore, the distance from the bolt face to the shoulder of the chamber is not an issue, this issue is dealt with IF the case is formed/fire formed and then sized without moving the shoulder back, in my opinion, a feeler gage is the perfect tool for adjusting the sizer die.[/align][/align]