lpd...thats what i thought too......but you must missed my last post on the bow forum.....i need to buy my first truck in 3mnths and buying a bow and everything i need to bowhunt i wont have any money left for a truck....so i have to wait until next year......thats exzactly why i wanted to bowhunt..i see so many big bucks that time of year.....but i know they are there and im going to give them a real try this year in rifle season...im going to get a nice seat...a nice pack...pack extra clothes along with the norm and a nice supply of food....from an hour before light to dark i am sitting there....i know they are there.....and they have to move sometime....i will be there when they do......i cant wait....i have dreams about deer hunting already!! last night i shot a spike in my dream and i started crying because i thought it was a doe and i now had to use my only buck tag on the spike....i cant wait for rifle season!! thanx alot guys.....i got alot more scouting to do before then....i think i may try to find a spot of my own away from dads but in the same set of woods...or just sit in his spot all day.....well see....thanx guys....im ready....