Marlin,I strongly suggest that you try a " true talker" but only with the video.If you can' t find the video e-mail me and we will work out how I can make you a copy.If you' ve ever tried to call turkeys,it' s the same principle.Practice,practice,practice.It' s not a cure all but a great tool.It helped me convince a yearling doe that my decoy was a real deer,so it bedded down next to it.I have a bow season call that will bring in bucks and does,I' m not really sure why but it works.