Thanks for the feedback. I have always used either Goldtip or Carbon express and I have no complaints with them but Mountain Archery has Camo Beman ICS Hunters on sale for about 35 bucks a dozen unfletched and only 39 bucks a dozen cut and fletched with inserts installed. 39 bucks for a dozen finished carbon arrows (if they are of any quality at all) is hard to pass up.