Honestly, I spine shot a deer at 30 YDS once..... Wont shoot outside 20 now although I shoot 3in groups at 40YDS. Target shooting and hunting are 2 seperate things. Not on "my high horse" just want the deer on that land to be let go until 130in min. Thats what we all have agreed on. Dont get me wrong, I want him to shoot a deer but I just cant understand how you can gut shoot a deer at 8YDS. BTW, there were no obstacles (sticks, etc) blocking the shot....