RSB,i have 3 doe and 4 fawns and 1, 3 point buck in my yard.

my area is protected from coyotes ,so far and i allow NO HUNTING.

THESE DEER STAY HERE ALL WINTER AND SOME GET HIT BY CARS.

now, out in tamarack areai have relatives.
they have corn planted and soybeans and deer have it nice all year getting fat and sassy.

yet, NO FAWNS.

they hear all kinds of coyotes barking in around june 15th area,they said doe running scared and swimming streams to get away.

i saw 2 fawns killed within 1 hr at alvin bush dam in the middle of day, noon,while we were fishing in our bass tournaments,the sound was awful.

5 mother doe swam the lake to get away.

the vice president of USP was a STATE EMPLOYEE working dcnr at park.his name was don clemmer,he also lives there too.

he stated to us he saw it and saw it many times in tamarack area.

he said barking is always heavy around time the fawns are born..


RSB , i have pictures on my trail camera of 2 coyotes attacked 3 doe while they were feeding on pipeline in my area at 10.15 pm last week.

those doe did not return until 1.30 am that morning and were very spooky lifting their heads,not calm at all.

these were full grown deer.

i feel from what i see and hear that in wmu2g reason for lack of fawns is early doe season in oct and coyotes killing fawnsand hunters shooting what is left.

ALSO, i interviewd many muzzleloader late season hunters and they said they found baby fawns in doe they killed,WE WOULD NEVER SHOOT A DOE IN LATE MUZZLELOADER SEASON, ONLY BUCKS.

gary alt sat at our table with state rep hanna,he stated to SPROUL,he said, the early doe seasonin oct will REDUCE the number of fawns bigtime.

he also said for this to work,HUNTERS MUST LET THE FAWNS LIVE,that aint happening.

he also said,KILL OLD DOE AS THEY ARE ONES THAT HAVE 2 FAWNS OR MOST OF FAWNS.

RSB, WE DONT HAVE MANY OLD DOE LEFT, MOST I SEE ARE 2 YEAR OLD OR LESS DOE.

i agree with you, if doe does not have good food,they will not be healthy BUT wmu2g has had deer herd reduce so low, acorns were rotting on ground UNTIL THIS YEAR. STILL IS plenty of feed for deer that are left to be healthy.in area i hunt, i feel i have about 3 to 4 deer in a 2 mile area but you can go to 2 miles away, no deer .

now, i have more hunters in my area than i ever had,i had 6 on my camera in 3 days,all scouting those 3 doe that are left.

this is why i dont hunt doe but in comes other hunters and they clean area out and move on.

how are we ever to manage this so we have deer if hunters kill off what is left in area and move on,we already have miles of area with feed and no deer and many more are going to be cleaned out this year as hunters go WHERE DEER ARE NOW.+


doe i see are healthy looking,but no fawns.


same with SGL252,greatest habitat for deer,PGC does a great job there,but hunt there like i do for pheasants,very few sign of deer, no poo and very few buck rubs etc.

locals say ITS SHOT OUT.

go 5 miles away,100s of deer on the rockview prison, fawns all over,lots of deer but habitat is no where near as good as the PGC SGL252.

why, its privateland and they shoot a coyote if they see one

BIGGEST PREDATORS ARE COYOTE ANDFILL TAGS HUNTERS AND THROW IN BEAR ALSO and you have reason why lack of fawns.