Rack Attack, I agree when there is a shooter in sight but out of bow range, there is no better time to try to harvest him then the present!!

Skeeter, I agree that when you have a buck hold up 40 yards out, the worst thing you could do is try to call him in further, I call it " The who ever speaks or moves first loses period" when this happens I wount move a muscle I will wait for him to make the first move, If he starts to come in further I let him come as far as he wants to on his own, no matter how long it takes him, The only time I will hit the grunt tube is after he turns and starts to walk in the direction he came from before I start to call to him again. One other thing I forgot to mention is I will not hunt a stand or area more tham 2 or 3 times a season. Even without calling a mature buck will pattern you if you over hunt a stand even if you take every precaution in the book. Pike