i just got a viper ultra for $179 on saturday. it's a great stand. incredibly comfortable, very quiet. and it seems a lot safer then my old climber. they've now bumped the price back up to $229 though. you pretty much can't go wrong with summit climbers. only thing i didn't care for was the instructions. i ended up throwing them away and putting it together based on the picture on the box. total nit pick though. i love the stand.