yeh my whole perception of the management thing is not good. I mean we have never had a management rule anywhere I hunt. Last year at my club we killed 97 bucks and out of them, 27 were 2.5 yrs old or older..one took 2nd in the state this year and scored 193" ...we killed everything from spikes to 12 pts and in between....there will always be big bucks if the food and land will hold them in this area I hunt..