Perhaps he can provide a link. In any event, it wasn't his proposal, it was the QDM crowd, obviously speaking of the properties that they routinely manage at such high densities. As for Bluebird, I'm no newcomer to his discussions. I've been following this debate for good long time myself. I've rarely seen anyone with such a good grasp of the PGC data, and so efficient at using it to dispute the current deer plan. Maybe if you ask him "real nice", he will provide you with some details of his background, and how that qualifies him sufficiently to speak on habitat issues. BTW, I didn't expect you would believe that I am anything other than a stump sitter, so your further speculation on my hunting ability doesn't bother me, either.