ORIGINAL: Sniveling squeal
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Original Sniveling squeal:
As for alpha hunter Bob,...I don't suffer from anger issues. However, unlike the case appears against you,I don't measure myself by the deerI kill.I simply love hunting, and enjoy it immensely. If you measure yourself by the manufactured bucks you kill in Illinois, and flaunt your "badges"....one has to ask, are you compensating for something? Sometimes, Bud, its just better to be silent, and thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt! You obviously support high deer numbers on those managed properties in Ill...yet advocate deer numbers so low the PGC should be ashamed to even admit. We are currently debating this with RSB, as to the difference in CC between farmland and edge habitat as dominates Illinois, as well as much of PA. If you have anything intelligent to add to that conversation, feel free to join in. Want to take a poke at why you aren't managing your Illinois properties at 8-9 dpsm? RSB has claimed that during the winter there will be nothing for the der as it wil all be under snow pack, so only available woody browse should be considered when determining the CC of a localized habitat.
Uh, anyone who takes the time to read your post addressing me personally will see the rage and frustration you obviously have pent up inside. You chose to personally attack me with some left field allegations after being a part of this forum for exactly two days. The first thing you need tounderstand is that hunting is not a competitive sport and if you can't accept that, you need to take up another hobby.
This thread was started as an attack on certain deer experts as evidenced by the title "Witch doctors". In this thread as in many others, I challenged bluebird for posting things incorrectly. He has been banned here under no less than four other screen names for doing that very thing before. You are either him under yet another name or something I said hit home enough for you to take it personally. Whatever it was, it wasn't directed at you unless you are another AKA Bluebird.
I dispute Bluebird here constantly because he relentlessly posts long messages brimming with numbers and often takes many convoluted steps to take facts out of context to cause 2+2 to appear to equal 3. If that is what offended you, too bad.
As for the personal attacks, Is that the best you got? Being called the alpha hunter would normally be a complement but not when it comes from an omega hunter. (I'll save you time byexplaining to you that Alpha is the
first andOmega is the
last word in the greek alphabet) And calling me scooter? Wow, LOL, I'm really hurt and hoppin mad now!
Your attack sparked a response appropriate for you. Sniveling squeal now seems more an appropriate handle for you. I'm sure screaming steel feels more macho butit doesn't fit the image you've put out here. Want to stopthe personal attacks and name calling? Make an apology for starting it all and I'll remove every part of my responses that sunk down to your level.
You haven't got a clue about me but you give us all some major clues about you. Your words were ripe with jealous rage. So much so thatyoumight as well have posted your words in green. I don't call myself an alpha hunter so for you to say it in the context you did heavily implies and inherent jealousy for your perception of what you think to be my measure of success. Here's a clue, hunting is not a competitive sport and if you see it as one, you really need to consider another pastime.
You hide behind a screen name yet you take me to task for listing my associations with pro hunting,profishing and conservation groups.Again,if that offends you, don't read it.
You might want to count to 10 or better yet, have someone help you count to 100 before you post again. As I said above, this can end now but it's all up to you.
Why end it? It's quite entertaining. Poke fun atmy screen name if you like. It's a reference to my bike, not myself, so no harm no foul. As for my casting a stereotype on you...is it really any more unfair than the stereotype you stamp upon anyone who disgrees with the PGC's management practices? That we are all disgruntled, three day hunters whose lucky stump went cold? I feel no obligation to refute your claim, but I'll make the gesture for entertainment purposes. My seven of my last eight deer came with a bow. I won't bother trying to calculate how many hours I log in the woods during bow season, gun season, scouting, etc. But suffice it to say that it's plenty. And for the record, I am fully capable of killing deer at will. I've tagged a rack buck four of the last five years, last year I miffed on a mature deer that responded to a combination of my calling and strategic scent placement, and though I did not tag a buck,I had the satisfaction on passing six legal bucks, and two that were pretty nice. It was a great year. By the way...aside from the pleasure of sharing the stories of the hunt, all of that has nothing to do with whether or not a resource is being managed responsibly. Individual success never did and never will gauge the success of a mgt plan. There are just too many variables at play. Was my stereotype of you unfair? Maybe. But your's was as well. You simply refuse to give any credit to anyone who disagrees with the current course. Rather tha even consider the possibilities, it is easier to write them off as disgruntled stump sitters.
Maybe when you check into the anger management counseling, you can find a course in reading comprehension. This thread was started by Bluebird and his witch doctor slams. I made
no mention of disgruntled stump sitters whatsoever till your post brought it up. But since you brought the idea up, your commenst obviously indicated that you must be
very sensitive to that stereotype. My experience has shown thats where there's smoke there's generally a fire. People most offended by stereotypes often are offended because they happen to fit them. Your need to tell me that you can still kill a deer speaks volumes about just how sensitive you must be about your abilities as a hunter.
That being said, I actually agree that there have been some failuresover thepast recent years with PA's management of the deer herd. Bluebird even has a point once in awhile that isn't a distortion or ouright lie (it's been a while but even a stopped clock is rght twice a day) What youwill eventually learn, is that aligning with Bluebirds smoke and mirrors methodology casts you into one of two stereotypes. Either you align with him because you are willing to say anddistort
anything to further your cause or youare indeedone of those uninformed, frustrated stump sitters who buys into his distortions. Perhaps you are neither. If you are neither, I suggest you read every one of his posts VERY CAREFULLY. It's been going on for over 5 years and the pattern indicates his little checkers game with the facts are intentional.
For example Bluebird said:
The new and improved deer management as promoted by the QDMA supports sustainable deer densities that will yield a harvest of 29 doe PSM. The best managed WMU in PA ,where the PA plan has been the most effective,is producing a harvest of less than 2 doe PSM.
Does anyone in his right mind beleive that ANYONE would promote a deer density so high that it could sustain a HARVEST of 29 doe per square mile? A sustained doe harvest that large would require a pre season density of 90-100 DPSM whenadult bucks, buck fawns, and non hunting mortality are also considered. He expects us to buy that fairy tale?
He's been banned under the names deerfly, deaddeer, ddearand beenthere to name a few for repeatedly hammering this forum with lies and distortions. It's not because he disagrees with the PGC it's been because of his tactics when posting his opinions. The only reason he's still here now is that It's become obvious that the mods have given up on policing this part of huntingnet as evidenced by the degeneration of this and other current threads.