O.k.BLUEBIRD2 said my lack of knowledge about the doe permitt allocations in 2f......but wait make everyones date the same... plus nonresidents pay more so the states revenue will be higher. Look we have seen the herds go from seeing 50 deer a day to your lucky to see a dozen. Big bucks? your idea of a trophey might be different than mine. Check your records BLUEBIRD2 how many B&C's or P&Y's come from P.A.? compare that to midwest where the land owners set there own limits..I will take my chances in Kansas..ILL..Ohio.HEll i would bet M.D. has pa beat on quality deer harvested.Or change the gun season around and put doe season back to after gunning. All i can say is with the high price of everything now i glad my eastern shore farm is still available. Hope P.A.'s revenue is the lowest in history and we will see how fast you guys change your mind.