Well Tony I had planned on hunting him, have been watching him for the last 3 months, well he vanished for about 3 weeks, then I seen him again (out of velvet pic) he was 3 miles from I usually seen him and he was on ground owned by the University of Illinois...which is WAY off limits, and the deer in there are thick, so I don't think he will leave there, too many Does to keep his attention[:'(]