aaron i have the hawk climber for 100 dollars at wal mart good climber never felt safer mine climbs good and sits great i stood on one side then the other then on the very back rock solid it is heavy and first thing i did is put thicker foot straps on it they looked liked they would wear around the bolts it was a cheap and easy fix plus like hunting fool i added tape on the rails i lay my bow across them and the backpack straps help out for the weight,seriously look at the hawk or eagle good stands for the price the recalls were on fixed or hang on stands i' ve used mine for three years and let my brother and two friends use it ,they all bought one