How about a BowTech Valor, as in courage or bravery[8D] I like it Take the ' 03 Patriot Dually riser and move the reflex to 1 1/2 inches and use the ' 02 Pat single limbs with a set of smoothed out BKII cams for an easier draw at 70 pounds. Add a modular wood grip that you could change the width on and an extended shelf near the arrow rest. Really though for me the Pat Dually is as near a perfect hunting bow as I could ask for[:-] Thanks again BowTech!!