ya not fun man....I am 3 months out of my surgery for Torn ACl, MCl, Lateral Meniscus, Carteledge(Sp?), and Fractures of my patella, Lower Femur, and upper tibia......Got kicked in the side of the knee whilst trying to make a hard cut in a soccer game.....I feel your pain. Brought the soccer career to an abrupt end and put the firefighting on hold for about 8 months.