Virginiashadow-- hopefully i'll get one of them this year, I've been working hard for 4 years looking at this spot never wanted to go in and hang stands if i wasnt in the perfect spot, now i have the perfect spot where they come from very thick cedar swamp out onto a acorn ridge, major runways and im inbetween the two... I dont wanna go in there right now and scare everything out and all that so im just gonna wait it out... SO good luck to you guys... I'll hunt and shoot a couple doe's in another spot