thanx guys.....i thought they were pretty good guns....i really dont need a 3 inch mag but would be nice to have for that just incase type thing....tree rats need them in a 20ga once in a while....them big ole fox squirrels take a beating and keep running sometimes....i think it will be a nice gun for my collection....i was about to drop the money on one last summer but i decided a good deer scope instead of a cheapo was in order....but now im actually working....ill let you know if i get one....i kinda want one with choke tubes..if i cant find one i know a gun smith that can do it....even if it takes value from the gun i wont mind...well worth it being i will keep it for a long long while anyway....a full choke in the thick brush would hinder me or blow up the birds....but man....a way to teach a kid how to hit clays is with a full choke i think....thats all my single 20ga has and i learned on it and i can hang with some pretty good clay busters....my friend shot skeet all his life..i went with him my first time...i think he got a 21 and i got a 19 or something near there out of 25...one of mine got away becuase i short pumped on the second shot...i think im going to get one before fall...maybe after the truck is bought i can save a check and buy one..i will have a month before i need the gun after i buy the truck....for as much as people hate work i love it......all the things i can FINALLY buy...i was never one of them kids to hit up mom and dad for things i wanted...i saved grass cutting money ect and bought what i wanted the most...sure dad bought me all my guns but one...but i didnt ask for any...they were all gifts...i like having a job.....another nice 50hr check coming next week....a bow will be mine very soon! i cant wait! thanx guys...