I agree to some extent with you Jack, I have one ranch that we won't shoot anything under 4 1/2 on regardless of antlers (I chose to hunt here and pay for the lease)....Then my family owns a place that I have been trying to manage for the last 15 years but it just isn't working as not everyone is on the same page. I would say that for me it depends on where I am hunting as to what my standards are....