Well I tried them out and you were right they are great. We went grouse hunting for a while yesterday and mack flushed 4. No shots (woods is way too thick). But we had a good time. I did have two fawns just about run me down though. One ran right into my gun barrel and just about knock itself out, and the other hit me in the leg!!!! But the dog did what he was supposed to do just stand there and look at me like "what are they doing"!!!